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ça m 'apprendra à faire des choses au lieu d 'aller de me coucher!! 
ça m 'apprendra à faire des choses au lieu d 'aller de me coucher!!
MASTER
Tu ne t'étais pas trompé.
Quand tu t'es couché, c'était la dernière version en date.
Mais ils en ont sorti une autre le lendemain.
Je pensais plus à proposer aux MJ des outils pour calibrer des sorts de leur création. Éventuellement en en parlant aux joueurs.
Histoire de ne pas se retrouver avec toujours les mêmes formules quel que soit le lanceur de sort.
Mais tu as raison, un PJ qui se lancerait dans des expérimentations n'aurait certainement pas loisir ne serait ce que de partir à l'aventure.
- MASTER
dans RdS W1 il y a avait un tableau pour la création de sort. Dans RdS W2 il y avait un chapitre pour créer des rituels et surtout des inconvénients.
Dans W3 il y des sorts qui sont très intéressant , entre les 4 versions il y a de quoi faire et surtout des idées à prendre pour une plus grande variété ou l'expérimentation au choix de chacun.
Voici le premier Focus d une série de conseils : la parade .
6MAR/19Off
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Hi folks, I’m Ben, a writer on Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th Edition — and I’m here to do my very favourite thing: talk about WFRP! It’s been a joy to see everyone dive deep into the new edition with such gusto. So let’s wade in, sword swinging and… hmm...
If we are fighting, I should really use something to defend myself with, right? Should I parry with my hand weapon, get myself a shield (and then, what size?) or should I pick up a specialist parrying weapon? And it looks like I’m not the only looking to find the best way to muck in, 4th Edition has given us more options than ever before to defend ourselves — so let’s go through the pros and cons of each method.
To my mind, the flavour, the fiction, is as much a mechanic as the numbers. We’re not just going to look into the maths behind each option, but also what each option means. What does it say about you to carry a great axe around? And is it a faux pas to carry a buckler with your rapier rather than main gauche?!
Let’s get into it, shall we? We have three primary options when parrying (obviously, this doesn’t include Dodging):
- Parrying with a normal weapon,
- Parrying with a shield,
- And parrying with a specialist weapon.
Sticking to Basics: Parrying with a Normal Weapon
Parrying with a normal weapon means, well, what it says on the tin: using a weapon — either in your primary or secondary hand — that is ordinarily used for offence. There are three situations where this would likely occur: you only have a weapon in your primary hand, and nothing else; you are wielding two weapons, one in each hand; or you’re carrying a two-handed weapon.
Whatever the reason for parrying with a normal weapon, a Character will use their appropriate Melee Skill to Oppose their attacker’s Melee Skill. This is often a good bet: Characters in a battle without a back-up plan are likely skilled with their main weapon… Or they were surprised… Or they’re too poor to afford anything else! Therefore, fighting like this is functional, economical, and likely wise for many combatants.
But there is a problem with this style of fighting: you’re entirely relying on winning an Opposed Test. You’re also utterly at the whims of an opponent at range. However, if you’ve chosen to wield a massive two-handed weapon, or are combining a secondary weapon with the Dual Wielder Talent, then these may be wise-enough trade-offs.
There are also social ramifications to this sort of fighting. Consider how foolish you’d look fighting a well-prepared knight — armed with a sword and shield — with only an axe in hand. Consider how uncouth you’d be to draw a massive bastard sword in a duel with a foppish noble, wielding a rapier and main gauche. Hand and great weapons are tools of personal defence — they lack the subtlety and style of purpose-built weapons like a foil or rapier. You couldn’t really get away with strolling into a noble court with a pike tucked into your belt, could you?
Nothin’ Like a Good Shield
There’s a reason Humans — in the real world, that is — have used shields since before written records, all the way until… well… now. Shields just make sense: someone is swinging or shooting something pointy at you, so put a big piece of wood or metal in the way! The same is true of shields in WFRP — especially in the latest edition, where they’ve been given all sorts of bells and whistles that shake up the regular push and thrust of combat!
Shields bring with them a lot of mechanical benefits, so let’s take a look at each one, and then address the individual kinds of shields.
All three shields are in the Basic weapon group — so use Melee (Basic) as their attacking or defending Skill — and have the following three Weapon Qualities: Shield, Defensive, and Undamaging.
Defensive is nice and straight forward: when you are wielding the weapon, you gain +1 SL to the Melee Test when defending. This even works if you are defending with a weapon in your other hand as you manoeuvre your shield into the path of any incoming weapons! When combined with the fact you’re likely to have a relatively high Melee (Basic) Skill, you should have a good chance of entirely parrying many incoming attacks (or at least reducing the difference in the SL). The Defensive Quality also allows shields to be used with Melee (Parry), which forgoes the –20 penalty you’d receive for using Melee (Basic) in an off-hand (if you don’t have Ambidextrous).
Undamaging isn’t the best, but given it’s a shield and you’re unlikely to be attacking with it unless you happen to have the Dual Wielder Talent, this shouldn’t sour you too much. This quality means all AP are doubled against attacks from shields, and said attacks don’t deal a minimum of 1 Damage.
Shield (Rating) is where things really shine — when using the shield to defend, you count as having Rating APs on all locations. This can be used to deflect Critical Wounds, and at Rating 2+ (so, a normal and large shield) you can even defend against ranged attacks! This is a game changer!
So, let’s look at the individual shields. Our Shield (Buckler) is the cheapest option — at 18/2, so just shy of a crown — and gives Shield 1. Alongside Defensive, this is already a sound tactical choice: you get to use the better of either Melee (Basic) at –20, or Melee (Parry), whilst getting a +1 SL on all defense Tests, and +1 AP to all Hit Locations when defending with the shield. Even if your opponent gets through, their attack will be severely hampered by this impressive defence!
Next, we have the Shield and Shield (Large), which are 2GC with Shield 2 and 3GC with Shield 3 respectively. Both carry the same tactical advantages as the Buckler, but with the added benefit of protecting against ranged attacks in line-of-sight — the only protection available against such attacks. Whilst they’re certainly expensive — and therefore outside of the reach of many adventurers — they would be my absolute first purchase.
In fact, it’s worth stating that I would purchase a Shield well before any armour pieces. Why? Well, because even though a Shield costs 2GC, a full suit of even Leather — which would only grant 1 AP on all locations, rather than 2 AP with +1 SL to defend — costs 1GC 14/–. For only 6/– more, you’re getting double, and then some, the value!
But it’s not all mechanics and mathematics. This is a roleplaying game, after all — you’re going to need to chat to some non-player characters before long, and I doubt the dandy will take too kindly to some raggedy hedge knight hefting around a massive shield. No, unfortunately, shields are not in fashion with the rakes and rapscallions of the Empire — though bucklers still get plenty of use by the middle class — which will mean you may have lost the war (for your honour) even before you’ve deflected a blow. Furthermore, shields are a practical symbol of war — you can’t hide them, you can’t side-step them. If you walk into a village carrying a shield, folks are going to know what you’re looking for and are used to dealing with trouble. Is that the kind of attention you want to bring?
Getting Fancy with Parrying Weapons
Lastly, we have Parrying weapons — either a main gauche or a swordbreaker — which are primarily the purvue of the elite, given their relative rarity compared with shields. These weapons are fashionable, but also highly functional, combining the Defensive Quality of a shield (and everything that brings), with the fact they’re powerful weapons in their own right. However, both of the weapons require the Melee (Parrying) Skill, so unless their wielder is trained in that Skill, they shouldn’t be seriously considered as options.
Let’s consider the main gauche: +SB+2 Damage with the Defensive Quality for only 1GC (though its Rarity will make it a tough cookie to find). If combined with the Dual Wielder Talent, and perhaps the Ambidextrous Talent, this would result in a powerful defensive and offensive option in combat.
But the weapon I really want to talk about is the swordbreaker. Only 2/6 more expensive than the main gauche, and being merely Scarce, this tricky little weapon delivers much: +SB+3 Damage, Defensive, a longer range (Short, as opposed to Very Short), and the curious Trap-blade Quality. What does Trap-blade do? When rolling a Critical whilst defending, you can force an Opposed Strength Test adding the SL from the Melee (Parry) Test. A success results in your opponent being disarmed, but success with +6 SL destroys the weapon entirely!
Parrying weapons are by far the easiest to place in social contexts — they’re very popular amongst the upper classes, and help you fit in with them. They also make you seem more fashionable among the middle-classes, and help you stand out amongst the lower-class locales. Furthermore, they’re much easier to conceal, so you can gain the benefits of ‘just having a hand weapon’ right up until your opponent has underestimated you and you draw your cunning swordbreaker.
Just Don’t Die, Alright?
Really, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how you fight so long as you live to talk about it (and maybe look good doing it), right? That’s the real WFRP way. I hope this little deep-dive helped frame your character's weapon tastes a little better, and I look forward to hearing about your favourite combinations on our social media channels.
Until next time, folks!
Bonjour.
Etant un joueur et Mj assidu de Warhammer (j'ai juste pas jouer a la V3), je suis fortement interessé par cette V4.
J'aurai une question. Y-a-t'il deja une précommande pour la VF? Si oui ou sa se trouve. Si sa existe suis passé à coté.
Merci d'avance.
- Lutin
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- Federico67
J'ai déjà eu cette conversation avec pericles (moi aussi je ne comprenais pas) et en fait il attend que le livre soit en vente sur la boutique Bbe. C'est un client fidèle et qui voudrait le rester quoi... Résistance à la tentation tout ça tout ça...
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- pericles
J ai la Campagne et elle est très facile à adapter en W2 ou 4. Il n y a que l'organisation de la magie au sein de l'Empire qu il faut fixer soit:
- des écoles un peu partout avec des maitres et leurs apprentis chez eux (W1 donc ne rien changer)
- uniquement les Collèges de Guerre (pardon) de Magie toutes centralisées à Altdorf et des antennes dans les autres grandes villes (W2; trouver un justificatif pour les mages débutants et le maitre de MSR)
- un mélange des deux (comme on veut)
Je ne connais pas l organisation politique et structurelle de la Magie en W4.
Coté sort des PNJs : en W1 les sorts ed bataille sont en partie des sorts mineurs ou communs, donc oui boule de feu (niv 1) est commun et donc ça complique l'appartenance (car si l'orientation est choisie selon le sort c 'est Aqshy), sinon à remplacer par un sort de combat de base.
Les sorciers ed W1 commencent leur carrière en tant que Sorcier de Bataille niv 1 puis choissisent leur débouché (élémentaire niv1, bataille niv2, nécromancien niv1 (magie noire), etc). Ils doivent atteindre le niv 3 de bataille pour devenir Mage de Guerre, un Mage d une Couleur qui fait son apprentissage (niv1 dasn la Couleur) dasn le Collège de Guerre correspondant à Altdorf.
Il n 'y en a pas dans la campagne (la magie des couleurs a été décidé après la sortie de WJDR et la sortie de la CEI), mais en W2 et 4 les magiciens doivent choisir leur collège et cela doit se refléter chez les pnjs.
Un problème peut se poser pour un sorcier de bataille niv 2 qui connait boule de feu (niv1) et éclair (niv2) : Aqshy ou Azyr? (choisis)
Si ce sorcier utilise la magie noire: problème résolu selon les règles de W4.
Il y avait DEX et Initiative en W1, il faudra penser à Agilité maintenant en te basant sur l'histoire, la carrière et les autres scores du pnj.
Pour le reste c'est ok. Je trouve seulement que les PNJS de W4 sont un brin plus compétent que leurs homologues de W1.
Note: les Chevaliers du Coeur Ardent sont les Chevaliers du Coeur Flamboyant.
et c'est dur de résister
